[WolfChyld]

okay I know I took the idea of the marle vs kid fight, but I think Harle vs Marle is better anyway they're from diffren't games and it should be CT vs CC not CC vs CC anyway, I'm a Marle fan

[V_Translanka]

I think I'd have to go with Marle based on the fact that her magic is Lavos-based and is only limited to her own MP, while Harle's Magic is Elemental based and is limited to those she has Allocated to her.

With a Gold Stud equiped, Marle/Nadia could easily outlast Harle in a Magic-brawl (and due to their weak attacks, this is probably what it would come down to).

They both have long range weapons, although Harle's Card/Shots would realistically be easier to "reload" than Marle/Nadia's crossbow. Although Marle/Nadia's crossbow would be more powerful.

Harle's got the whole Dragon-thing going on, and she's got a few years of experience more then Marle/Nadia.

I choose Marle/Nadia.

[UnknownCloud]

V_Translanka, on Sep 25 2003, 09:11 AM, said:

I think I'd have to go with Marle based on the fact that her magic is Lavos-based and is only limited to her own MP, while Harle's Magic is Elemental based and is limited to those she has Allocated to her.

With a Gold Stud equiped, Marle/Nadia could easily outlast Harle in a Magic-brawl (and due to their weak attacks, this is probably what it would come down to).

They both have long range weapons, although Harle's Card/Shots would realistically be easier to "reload" than Marle/Nadia's crossbow. Although Marle/Nadia's crossbow would be more powerful.

Harle's got the whole Dragon-thing going on, and she's got a few years of experience more then Marle/Nadia.

I choose Marle/Nadia.

I agree with him Marle's much better

[Johnny_J]

UnknownCloud, on Oct 16 2003, 11:12 PM, said:

V_Translanka, on Sep 25 2003, 09:11 AM, said:

I think I'd have to go with Marle based on the fact that her magic is Lavos-based and is only limited to her own MP, while Harle's Magic is Elemental based and is limited to those she has Allocated to her.

With a Gold Stud equiped, Marle/Nadia could easily outlast Harle in a Magic-brawl (and due to their weak attacks, this is probably what it would come down to).

They both have long range weapons, although Harle's Card/Shots would realistically be easier to "reload" than Marle/Nadia's crossbow. Although Marle/Nadia's crossbow would be more powerful.

Harle's got the whole Dragon-thing going on, and she's got a few years of experience more then Marle/Nadia.

I choose Marle/Nadia.

I agree with him Marle's much better

Ahh I dunno about this one. Harle's Card shots are much more powerful then Marles attacks. And Harle doesn't have to use Mp you would only have to use one magic attack with Harle and Marle would be dead. Same could be said for Marle using Ice 2 against Harle though, so thats the only thing. But I think Harle could win because she has much stronger offensive magic spells then Marle does, Marle is all about healing. So I think Harle would be able to kick her Keister.

Edit- Lol damnit I accidentally voted marle! ahh the names are identical, my mistake lol.

This post has been edited by Johnny_J: 16 October 2003 - 11:56 PM

[V_Translanka]

How are the Cards/Shots more powerful then a Crossbow??? One of them you throw, the other uses a stronger potential energy. That one's just obviously in Marle's favor.

Yes, Marle relys on MP, but Harle relys on her Elemental Grid, which is itself limited. Marle could always replenish her MP. Replenishing an Elemental Grid is different.

Harle has Elements, which anyone can Allocate, including Marle (no reason she couldn't). Marle's magic was learned indirectly (through Spekkio) from Lavos. Who's to say Ice 2 isn't more powerful then the Element Black Hole? Not only that, but Marle could also use Haste, and her healing techs could keep her in the game until Harle wasted her Elements.

[Johnny_J]

V_Translanka, on Oct 17 2003, 10:23 AM, said:

How are the Cards/Shots more powerful then a Crossbow??? One of them you throw, the other uses a stronger potential energy. That one's just obviously in Marle's favor.

Yes, Marle relys on MP, but Harle relys on her Elemental Grid, which is itself limited. Marle could always replenish her MP. Replenishing an Elemental Grid is different.

Harle has Elements, which anyone can Allocate, including Marle (no reason she couldn't). Marle's magic was learned indirectly (through Spekkio) from Lavos. Who's to say Ice 2 isn't more powerful then the Element Black Hole? Not only that, but Marle could also use Haste, and her healing techs could keep her in the game until Harle wasted her Elements.

Harle could use Weaken or Nimble or her to. And the element grid isn't that hard to power up, and she could even locke Marles magic up to. Or weaken it by alot. And thats the thing about this we would never know unless they actually fight. My money is on Harle though I think her Lunar magic could kick marles ass lol, And Harle can even use Flare to. So that would be extra strong against Marle. And in Chrono Cross there is alot more effect magic that weakens and reduces the opponents (spelling lol) Atack and magic effects. So Harle would have a definite magic advantage over Marle I would say. And Her Card shot attacks are more powerful then Marles attacks to. And plus she can attack twice and also use an element to. so Marle would be infintely screwed. If they each had only 999 hp. Then it would only take two attacks from Harle and a spell and Marle would be finished. But Marle could use Ice 2 against harle. But Harle could have the Blue plate equiped. But also Marle could have the Black Armor equipped to. There is to many possibilties to this and it is to hard to think of it.

Ohh and about the cardshots thing I wasn't saying in real life I was talking gamewise and damage wise. And I am pretty sure you can also equip Harle with some sort of blaster gun thing to. So she has that to. And I would say a blaster gun could own a cross bow lol. And this fight would make no sense at all. Reason being because In the Chrono Cross world Harle and everyone else uses the element grid, and in the Chrono Trigger world Marle uses Mp. So we can't say that marle could use Elements without saying Harle could develop some sort of Mp magic in the Chrono Trigger world.

[V_Translanka]

While there is no reason that Marle couldn't use Elements, Harle obviously couldn't use real Magic because she never learned it. Marle had to learn Magic from Spekkio. Harle has no such advantage.

Harle cannot cast "Flare", there is no Flare Element. There is nothing saying that Marle would be Blue Innate just because her Magic is Water. Harle does NOT have any sort of "blaster gun thing". I still don't think throwing knives/cards are more powerful then a crossbow in any sense. Oh yes, and a Blue Plate absorbs BLUE ELEMENTS, not Water Magic.

If the two were in a fight, then you couldn't hold them to each of their individual battle systems (by saying that Harle could attack more times then Marle), that's just the game's individual ways of making battles comprehensible to the players. In a battle, two people face each other and can attack accordingly.

Not only that, whereas Harle and all of the CC gang are limited to 99, CT characters can transend beyond that into the relm of the double stars (**).

Elements are no match for real Magic.

[Johnny_J]

V_Translanka, on Oct 18 2003, 12:22 PM, said:

While there is no reason that Marle couldn't use Elements, Harle obviously couldn't use real Magic because she never learned it. Marle had to learn Magic from Spekkio. Harle has no such advantage.

Harle cannot cast "Flare", there is no Flare Element. There is nothing saying that Marle would be Blue Innate just because her Magic is Water. Harle does NOT have any sort of "blaster gun thing". I still don't think throwing knives/cards are more powerful then a crossbow in any sense. Oh yes, and a Blue Plate absorbs BLUE ELEMENTS, not Water Magic.

If the two were in a fight, then you couldn't hold them to each of their individual battle systems (by saying that Harle could attack more times then Marle), that's just the game's individual ways of making battles comprehensible to the players. In a battle, two people face each other and can attack accordingly.

Not only that, whereas Harle and all of the CC gang are limited to 99, CT characters can transend beyond that into the relm of the double stars (**).

Elements are no match for real Magic.

Ohh woops there isn't a flare element it's called Inferno lol woops. And who knows if Harle had went back in time to see spekkio then maybe she would have been able to learn magic. Because if in this fight Marle has elements then that means she came to that time period and got elements, then Harle in some way should be able to learn magic. And Marle's element would be the innate colour blue. Water is a form of the blue magic innate colour. If she uses water type magic then it would only be fitting for her to have the innate colour blue. And also if we aren't holding them to there individual battle systems then this fight wouldn't work at all. If we are saying that the Chrono Trigger Characters can fight in the ** status region, then the Chrono Cross characters could have a direct Advantage over the Chrono Trigger characters, because they can hold 3 accesories. That means Harle could get immunity pretty much against Marles main Tech Attacks and if she has the Ozzy Pants on, and If she had a magic seal equiped who knows what would happen. Same goes for Marle though this fight is to unpredictable. The truth is we will never know. I am strongly supporting Harle and you are strongly supporting Marle. But this fight would be to hard to comprehend, we don't know who will win. If we are basing it on no magic at all then Who knows it could be an equal playing ground seeing as both Characters attacks aren't that strong.

Ohh and the thing with Chrono Cross characters double attack is it compensates for the Chrono Trigger attacks that can sometimes hit with one Critical hit. So they use the double hit method in Chrono Cross, and if she used all of her energy for two attacks it would over power marles Cross Bow attack. Ahh this fight is to hard to determine the outcome for.

[V_Translanka]

Marle doesn't have to travel anywhere to get Elements except maybe the store. Marle is in the Chrono Cross world already, all she had to do was age. Harle simply doesn't have access to Spekkio no matter what. Even if she COULD learn Magic. Magic is Lavos based and Elements are a type of refined ore-like material. So it goes without saying that the two would go onto different grounds. You can't simply assume that Marle would be Blue Innate (which is from Elements) because her Magic is Water (which is from another source, Lavos).

[Johnny_J]

V_Translanka, on Oct 19 2003, 09:31 AM, said:

Marle doesn't have to travel anywhere to get Elements except maybe the store. Marle is in the Chrono Cross world already, all she had to do was age. Harle simply doesn't have access to Spekkio no matter what. Even if she COULD learn Magic. Magic is Lavos based and Elements are a type of refined ore-like material. So it goes without saying that the two would go onto different grounds. You can't simply assume that Marle would be Blue Innate (which is from Elements) because her Magic is Water (which is from another source, Lavos).

Well it would be pretty easy to assume that her Innate colour would be blue. And if Marle doesn't travel in time to get the elements then she would age about 16 years or so. Ohh and if she wants to buy Elements it's alot different then getting them, although she could go to Marbule and buy some trap elements and go out setting traps for them lol. And I don't think you need Magic to win a fight at all, Elements would still help Harle out. And Serge has Luminarie without getting any form of magic from Spekkio, I am still saying above all Harle would win lol. And this fight still is to hard to measure because you would have to assume that Marle has Elements. I just wonder how the fight worked when Marle was killed by Harle, and Lynx. It's to confusing and assumption is the mother of all bitches.

If the fight went like this

Marle( Chrono Trigger Battle System) vs. Harle ( Chrono Cross battle system )

I think Harle would be the winner.

If the fight went like this

Marle ( Chrono Cross Battle System) vs. Harle ( Chrono Cross Battle system )

I think Harle would be the winner

If the fight went like this

Marle ( Chrono Trigger Battle System) vs. Harle (Chrono Trigger Battle system)

I think Marle would win

If the fight went like this

Marle ( No battle system excepet her ice attacks )

vs.

Harle ( No battle system except her Lunar Magic Attacks)

They all come down to a matter of opinion, but I think this one more then others.

I would say Harle would win this. But I am sure you think entirely different.

[Kyvlon]

marle is strong she would win