[TranceKuja]

Well there is also at high level. Try fighting Kuja or Trance Kuja at level 99. If you want a small example of the madness your in for. Try at any level with everyone having auto-reflect. It will be mad but still much easier then if you were 99.

[Sutremaine]

I have tried Kuja with everyone having Auto-Reflect (Zidane at Lv.99, everyone else... nowhere near). Keeps you on your toes, but still not that difficult...

Kuja can be almost stupidly easy (if only you could get 99 Lapis Lazuli before Terra. That'd be fun as well).

Autofire pad+Eiko+Auto-Regen+Coral Ring+a good book (for me)=

I'd get mad as well, if I was being beaten up by a six year old with a flute.

This post has been edited by Sutremaine: 05 April 2004 - 12:11 AM

[TranceKuja]

Hum, at 99 Kuja Flare Star deal 4950 damage to all you know ?
This is why everyone at 99 make it fucken hard. Cause it's the only thing Kuja will cast and Kuja will attack faster.

This post has been edited by TranceKuja: 05 April 2004 - 12:30 AM

[Sutremaine]

TranceKuja, on Apr 5 2004, 01:21 AM, said:

Hum, at 99 Kuja Flare Star deal 4950 damage to all you know ?
This is why everyone at 99 make it fucken hard. Cause it's the only thing Kuja will cast and Kuja will attack faster.

Hey, I just thought of something. Assuming that HP is tied to the strength stat (I think this is the case), is it even possible to get everybody's HP above 4950?

[TranceKuja]

Not everyone.

Zidane hp at level 99 5338
Vivi hp at level 99 4524
Garnet hp at level 99 4704
Steiner hp at level 99 5609
Freya hp at level 99 5247
Quina hp at level 99 5066
Eiko hp at level 99 4614
Amarant hp at level 99 5428

[phantosanucca]

TranceKuja, on Mar 9 2004, 02:11 AM, said:

Well, Sutremaine there is also one thing that most forget. I mentioned it in my earlier post but il show it more clearly It's that after Zidane and the party get teleported. What do you see ? Necron get a huge attack. Which look like an attack of souls attacking him and then he vanish into nothingness. who was responsible for that ? Kuja. As you see after he is not in trance anymore. But trance isnt something that go away when you are growing low in hp. It actualy is shown in FFIX that Kuja only get stronger as the souls give him more power. So the logical explanation for the attack and Kuja not being in trance is that after being weakened. He gave all he had to destroy the crystal. He was willing to stake his own life to destroy life itself. After that he was completly beaten up and understood what it was to live. This is why he teleported the party and did free the soul to launch and attack on Necron. So Kuja is the Angel Of Death and the Angel Of Life.

Now I understand why you have the username you have, Trance. I used to think Necron was just a crappy add-on at the end(although he is without a doubt the coolest looking final boss in any game. EVER.). But now that I've read these posts, I can see the real meaning in the character. I also learned that Kuja teleported them out of there. Didn't see that in all the 9 or so times I beat the game.


Thanks for the lesson doods.

[Sutremaine]

TranceKuja, on Apr 5 2004, 02:39 AM, said:

Not everyone.

Zidane hp at level 99 5338
Vivi hp at level 99 4524
Garnet hp at level 99 4704
Steiner hp at level 99 5609
Freya hp at level 99 5247
Quina hp at level 99 5066
Eiko hp at level 99 4614
Amarant hp at level 99 5428

And that's the absolute maximum for each character?

Sucks to be the White Mages... why oh why does the only person with Full-Life have to have the second lowest HP of all*???!

And *cough cough*... still slightly off-topic, but...

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He gave all he had to destroy the crystal. He was willing to stake his own life to destroy life itself.

The way everything's standing is (iirc):

Crystal-->the big hoop-->Kuja-->your party

Every single Ultima blast I saw came down in front of Kuja, but I might be missing something because I don't have screen-capping facilities. So what's going on there?



*Don't mind me, I'm just lamenting. It'd be stupid if Steiner had Full-Life.

[TranceKuja]

Sutremaine, on Apr 5 2004, 03:55 AM, said:

And that's the absolute maximum for each character?

Well it's their max without hp bonus ability that melee can have via the stone system.

So for Vivi, Eiko, Dagger, Quina it's their absolute maximum.

Zidane get a HP+20% via stone system
Steiner, Freya, Amarant get a HP+10% and HP+20% so for a total of 30% via stone system.

Zidane absolute max (with Hp+20%) 6405
And Steiner absolute max (with Hp+30%) reach the highest Hp in the game with a total of 7291

If you wanna find the other one do the math on your own Im hitting th bed after this post so im gonna make it short.

Sutremaine, on Apr 5 2004, 03:55 AM, said:

Sucks to be the White Mages... why oh why does the only person with Full-Life have to have the second lowest HP of all*???!

heh, yeah. Pretty much Flare Star unfriendly if they are 99.

Sutremaine, on Apr 5 2004, 03:55 AM, said:

The way everything's standing is (iirc):

Crystal-->the big hoop-->Kuja-->your party

Every single Ultima blast I saw came down in front of Kuja, but I might be missing something because I don't have screen-capping facilities. So what's going on there?

That's exactly it. You didnt miss anything. Unless i missed it did miss something too and i watched it about 15 times.(Easy to reload to any point in the game with an emulater )
Kuja did an attack that was on the ground toward the party and it was obviously more powerful then the first time on Terra as it even blasted him away. If the crystal had died existance would of stoped. like Garland said all life is link and come back to the source which is the crystal. The way i see it come back to what i said "Necron was summoned by Kuja will to destroy the crystal". But other then the purpose of Necron. What exactly is he made of ? You see Necron is crystal like right ? And every life is said to come from that crystal. Necron also says :
"This is not the end."
"I am eternal..."
"...as long as there is life and death..."
Considering he will always he is crystal like and will exist as long as there is life and death. And if he is eternal as long as there is life and death. It mean he cannot exist if life and death doesnt. So im pretty sure he is part of life itself (the crystal). Necron is kinda the "bad" side of life that think ppl live to die. Life cannot be evil nor good. It is just life. The way i see it, it's what you do with your life that make you good or evil. So life kinda has 2 face Kuja will to destroy the crystal brought the bad side of the crystal to life. After all Kuja did create many thing using the crystal! Those boss from the shrine for example, the bigillion silver dragons, deathguise.

Jeez, not that short... Ahah, oh well hitting the bed!

This post has been edited by TranceKuja: 05 April 2004 - 09:38 AM

[Sutremaine]

Well, I was never really sure what Necron was, or what his connection with the Crystal was. He does just kind of turn up without any warning.

The reason I think he isn't part of the Crystal is because I never saw the Crystal as having any kind of consciousness. It's just a source of energy, and therefore wouldn't have any way of noticing that it was being threatened.

I still haven't figured out what Necron is. Maybe he did just take it on himself to watch over the Crystal. I could go ahead and make up something elegant, but the best I could do is make it fit, since there's really not much to work with.

"I am eternal..."
"...as long as there is life and death..."

If there's any answer to be found (or just made up ), then it's probably in those two lines. Hmm. *cocks head* I wonder if there's anything useful in Reaper Man (?)? That's probably got some quotes that would fit in here.

[TranceKuja]

Well Necron has to be part of the crystal somehow. He is alive and everything that live is from the crystal. But like i said considering he cannot live if there isnt life and death. But he his enternal while there is life and death. That's pretty much how the crystal is. Necron looking crystal like, the crystal not being destroyed because life wouldnt be able to go on. So where it is ? It's merly been summoned as Necron by Kuja will to destroy that crystal. Grand cross being an attack that use planet energy without destroying them is another sign that Necron is life itself.

Necron name origin also help a lot to figure that out. The prefix necro means of or pertaining to death and that's what Necron is interested in doing. Giving death to all. Also, his name in the Japanese version was Ein no Yami which translate in darkness of eternity/eternal darkess.

Kuja will to destroy the crystal brought the dark side of the crystal out. Even tho Kuja didnt manage to destroy it.

[Sutremaine]

Wouldn't destroying the Crystal destroy the entire universe, and not just all life?

"The birthplace of all things..."
"Once I destroy it, everything will be gone."
"Gaia, Terra, the universe, everything..."

I get that Necron's connected with death/darkness and with the Crystal (he has-more or less- the same ring around him as the Crystal has), but Necron as the embodiment of the dark side of the Crystal... I don't buy it.

[TranceKuja]

Balance of good and evil. Everywhere that has a good side need a counterpart that is evil. That's about in everything

Edit: heh, just figured a good example. That Starwars commercial of kotor that say we have the capacity for both. Which basicly is saying that life is made of good and evil but we pick our side. With our will. Well it is Kuja will that brought the bad side out

This post has been edited by TranceKuja: 06 April 2004 - 02:57 PM

[Sutremaine]

TranceKuja, on Apr 6 2004, 03:32 PM, said:

Balance of good and evil. Everywhere that has a good side need a counterpart that is evil. That's about in everything

Ha, you'd like Jung. Seriously.

Anyway... my argument here is that the Crystal doesn't have anything which could have a good or evil side. It's not truly alive-- it's the raw vitality which allows things to be alive. For me, saying that the Crystal has a good and evil side is like saying that wind and light have good and evil sides. What they do might be considered good or bad, but they're not bad in themselves.

[TranceKuja]

The crystal is life itself which mean it has life in itself. Planets are considered alive in FF games. So why the crystal should be excluded ? The crystal has the capacity for both like anything alive. Like i said on several occasion Kuja will brought the bad side. If Necron could of acted on it's own it would of destroyed life ages before FF9 was taking place.

[Sutremaine]

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The crystal is life itself which mean it has life in itself. Planets are considered alive in FF games. So why the crystal should be excluded ?

Um... I'll get back to you on that one.

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The crystal has the capacity for both like anything alive.

Er, both what? I hate it when you drop random words out of sentences...

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If Necron could of acted on it's own it would of destroyed life ages before FF9 was taking place.

Yeah, Necron pretty much says that.

But if Necron is the dark side of the Crystal, then where's the light side, and why isn't Necron all 'All life must die, blah blah blah... raargh! smash!'. He seems pretty level headed to me, as though he doesn't need a counterpart because he has both aspects inside him.

Necron as an individual is also interesting for another reason.

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-TranceKuja-

[Necron] is alive and everything that live is from the crystal.

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-Necron-

"...a world of nothing.... This is the world that all life desires."

I think it's quite neat that Necron, a living being, is assuming sole responsibility for deciding when all life should die. To make him into the dark side of everything is to deprive him of his wonderful irony.